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Re : Nursing

Postby paljane8 » Mon Aug 30, 2004 06:36 am

I am sorry it is so frustrating! Let us know how it goes today at the lactation specialist's. I am glad Janey has some improvement in weight gain and I hope today is a good appt.

I have to say I agree with renting a hospital pump. We bought a quality knock off. I ended up renting the hospital pump anyway for a few months. It works better than any one you can buy.

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Re : Nursing

Postby iansmom » Mon Aug 30, 2004 06:25 am

I hope things are improving. But remember, a Pump In Style is a wonderful thing, but it is not hospital grade. Rent a Lactina - they are for the tough jobs!
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Re : Nursing

Postby laura » Sat Aug 28, 2004 10:57 am

Suzanne, for what it's worth-- I found my fenugreek at Walmart [:)]

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Re : Nursing

Postby suzanne » Sat Aug 28, 2004 06:14 am

Hi, all! Well, still discouraging with the nursing. Janey is nursing less and less, pretty much none. I bought a professional type breast pump (Medela Pump in Style) after talking to a lactation consultant. I will see her on Monday to try more! She told me that the hand Avent pump would NOT keep up my supply. So far my supply seems okay (with both my boys I always had too much and half choked them when they nursed!) but I am so scared of losing it.

Janey once in a while latches on, takes 1 or 2 sucks and then "pretends" to go to sleep (I know a newborn can't do that, but she closes her eyes but opens them right back up if I talk to her or move her!). Other times she just won't try the breast at all, and screams and actively pushes it away. Still other times she will take the nipple into her month and then just hold it there, which she seems to like, but it doesn't get much done!

Nancy, Janey weighed 6lb, 2oz at birth and lost down to 5lb, 8oz after 4 days. Then 5 days after that, with little nursing and mostly bottles, she was up to 6lb, 4oz. I think she is gaining now, she is starting to have a double chin and look chubbier!

I have been drinking root beer! Still havne't gotten to a store that has Fenugreek but I hope to this weekend.

I am eager to see what the lactation specialist says! I will let you know!

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Re : Nursing

Postby arj » Mon Aug 23, 2004 09:55 am

Seems like you've gotten some excellent advice from the other ladies. I definitely recommend visiting a lactation consultant. They are so used to dealing with breastfeeding problems. Do you know if your hospital offers a breastfeeding support group? Many times those forums are run by an LC, so you could get some pointers there for free. Also I'm sure that there is a La Leche League group somewhere near you. Check out their website. I think that one of the keys of successful breastfeeding is SUPPORT!!
I agree with the other ladies also. Pumping just doesn't maintain and/or build your supply like having baby to breast. And as for fenugreek, I've heard that the GNC brand is not as good as others. Do you have a health food store near you, like a Fresh Fields or Whole Foods Market? They should have fenugreek there. Good luck!

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Re : Nursing

Postby paljane8 » Sun Aug 22, 2004 09:02 pm

Hey Suzanne,

I am sorry it is so frustrating for you right now. We had such feeding issues with Janie as well. At the time we did not know that it was because she has oral low tone. How much did Jane weigh at birth and how much has she dropped? Have you met with a lactation specialist? They are golden if you want to bf and if you hospital doesn't have one do an on-line search for La Leche. They know so many tricks to help encourage a baby to nurse. I am sure you know that newborns are sleepy and it makes it hard to feed them. They like that bottle because it is less work to extract milk. T and Catherine have given tips to keep babies awake to feed because (as Catherine said) it is hard to establish and keep a milk supply when you pump. Babies are so much more efficient at doing it. If you want to bf offer the breast and let her feed as you try to keep her awake. It only takes a few weeks before they work through that sleepy stage so find comfort that it gets better (and easier!). How is her latch? I ask about her weight because there is less concern about an 8lb baby dropping versus a 5lb baby. That first few weeks is the hardest but, it will get better.

The struggles we had were that Janie wasn't strong enough to nurse-she burned more calories than she took in. We "taught" her to nurse on a finger with a small syringe and catheter (The lactation consultant suggested it). It was months before she could nurse and I pumped the entire time. Janie was supplimented. It was difficult to keep up a milk supply and around 5-7m Janie started dropping percentile points and mind you, she was <3rd percentile anyway. It was a battle and very frustrating because in addition to nursing and formula she was on a high caloric diet. Most of Janie's struggles were due to oral low tone.

Hang in there. Let us know how you and Jane are doing.

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Re : Nursing

Postby angelkat » Sun Aug 22, 2004 01:42 pm

Suzanne.... Have you tried a warm cloth on your breast to help with the letdown or take a warm shower right before a fed. Fenugreek can be found in GNC and other herbal stores. If your supply is good for now, I wouldn't worry about taking the fenugreek. Also drinking Root Beer can increase your supply along with raspberry icetea (I know sounds crazy but it's true)

As for the weight issue... Each scale is different... Hang in there your doing the best you can!!!... Sending you HUGE HUGS...

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Re : Nursing

Postby catherine » Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:57 am

Suzanne, I suspect that what you need to do is just try and get her to nurse as often as possible. Once she gets started do whatever it takes to keep her going. With Lucy it was a cool washcloth on her feet everytime she dozed off. The pump is a double edged sword... makes life a little easier but it can't rival a baby for establishing and maintaining supply. I would suggest that you pump for a few minutes before you start to nurse so that the worst engorgement is reduced, that super tight breast and hard nipple can be intimidating for a tiny mouth. The second benefit is that the milk is already flowing well so nursing takes a little less effort. Trust yourself, you do know what you are doing and you will get into the swing of things...

BTW... I'd be willing to bet $100 that the weigh in at the doctors visit wasn't the same scale as her hospital weights and the calibration for each is different. Comparisons are meaningless unless performed on the same balance each time. The first time I took Lucy for her visit she'd officially gained nothing over her birthweight and she was 2 weeks old at the time. That was from the perspective of a 5 lb baby to begin with. I was sure that they were going to tell me to supplement... no... we simply had to bring her back for a weight check a week later on the same balance. I wish that they wouldn't do this... it's really undermining of your confidence.... if you are getting 6-8 wet and/or poopy diapers a day... you're on track... no matter if your nursing sessions are only 10 minutes at a time.

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Re : Nursing

Postby suzanne » Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:16 am

Good to find this topic! It seems like what I am going through is like a lot of you have gone through. My daughter Jane was born Monday, nursed well the first few days but then got VERY sleepy. On Thurs. at her 4 day weigh her weight was quite down, and the dr. said to make sure she ate as much as humanly possible, every hour if I could. Of course, I was extremely engorged that day and Friday, and she would NOT nurse. Just screamed at the breast and cried, and then fell asleep from frustration. So I am pumping. She is doing much better it seems, more awake and happier. But I am quite upset not to be nursing "the regular way". Both my boys nursed well and easily, even my 32 week preemie once he was home. How did you all go about getting them back on the breast, if it did ever work at all? She seems like she has already forgotten how to latch on. My supply is good for now, but I might look into Fenugreek---where is it easiest to find? I looked at the drug store today and didn't see it.

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Re : Nursing

Postby pugmommy7 » Mon Aug 02, 2004 06:44 am

I quit the herbs after I reach what I felt was the same with or without them.
I say if you want to keep connie at the breast try an "ABS-At breast supplimenter.
You can fill the recepticle with pumped milk or formula.
this way baby is getting the extra she needs and is stimulating you while you are supplimenting.(to make more thusly) carry several supplimenters. look under specialty devices.
good luck. if you need any help or suggections w/ it feel free to e-mail me directly at [email protected]
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